Humanism and Veganism

To conclude “Humanism and Veganism should go hand in hand”. Do you agree? If you do, then good bye. Go use your time in more productive way, even though it won’t be a waste of time reading. Fellow vegan here. I totally agree with this person raising his voice to explain because I have the same sentiment. Lots of Vegans(don’t know the correct estimate) are out there just for a lifestyle choice, weight loss, fashion, trends, vegan communities for fun and connectedness. Unfortunately, when their knowledge of animal cruelty is mostly derived from some good speakers like Ed, whereas they are completely ignorant about politics and human injustice. Just like you can not be non-vegan environmentalist, I think you can not be a non-humanist Vegan. But the plethora of non-humanist Vegan just surprises me. According to Ed’s argument, people who have been raised Vegan are automatically or naturally be compassionate to other human beings. I think there might be a high correlation there. But not exactly true for many vegans. It might be that most Vegans are converted Vegans and their having no sympathy for fellow human beings come from their experience with other human beings. It will be hard to quantitatively measure the difference between raised and converted Vegans exactly now, with the few numbers of Vegans who have been raised by Vegan parents. Unfortunately, I have negative data points for raised Vegan as I see quite a bit of correlation with someone’s religiosity. Being from the Indian subcontinent, I have few Jain friends who are close to Vegan in terms of their food choice, who have been raised as Vegan with the same ideas of compassion and restriction. However, unfortunately, many of them eat animals now whenever they can by hiding from their parents, and have no issue with using animal products. They just fall in love with the taste of animals like anybody else as they have done it for the first time, and unfortunately, they put their taste bud pleasure above the pain of an animal. You can argue that their Jainism/Veganism are not well thought out, rather imposed by their parents just like somebody’s religion is imposed upon them. But then it becomes a circular argument and ultimately comes back to my conclusion. I have seen many Vegans who hate other human beings, are lousy in terms of other moral aspects, other important things in the world. If you ask the question to a Vegan “If you have to save a human versus an animal, who will you save?”, a lot of them will pause to take a choice. There should not be any pause to answer that question, it should be clearly human. Human life is more precious than animal life. There’s a clear moral hierarchy. We need to understand that there is no absolute morality, only relative morality which will be ever progressing with time. So, ultimately what I mean, a huge number of Vegans don’t really care about human rights, the oppression towards human being happening right in front of their eyes, mass incarceration, social inequality, wealth inequality, warmongering. I would even argue there’s a fair number of Vegans who are Trump supporters and they don’t really care about how political actions might make other humans suffer all across the world. But I do believe if there were a political activist Ed or group of Eds standing in the street corner showing people the truth, they would change their mind. A Vegan is more likely to change his mind, I want to believe. But to my dismay, very few Vegans would like to do that, and there is where I feel for this brother. I do think, if there were an Earthling Ed for each of the topics of human rights, if there were a group of individuals standing on the street for talking and trying to convince other people for each of the areas of social injustice, you can always sway people’s opinion to the more compassionate path. The fact that you are only gathering together only for animal rights; and it is hard to see a group of white men and women standing together talking about the right of black American, Mexicans, it shows a clear bias. What’s your stance on illegal immigrants? Do you want to make them suffer whereas you stand for the rights of animals? What do you think about wealth inequality? What do you think about other religion? What do you think about wars and children dying in the wars? And of course animal rights? I think you should think about all of them. I know our time is limited. Maybe we will not be able to involve ourselves in all of them, but at least we should be impartial in our knowledge of them. Every Vegan should have the compassionate, moral, rational answer for each of these questions. For me, these are not mutually exclusive. And I think Ed has the same moral take on it (at least that’s what I understood watching his many videos), but I don’t know how his energy is distributed. So, I totally understand this person and the people in the group. Do you understand him and me? You have chosen to fight for animal rights. But ask yourself? Why haven’t you chosen to fight for criminal injustice, child labor, institutional racism, wars? Is it because it’s easy to join your local vegan group and hang out and do vegan feasts with your jackfruit barbecues? It’s fine to do so, but how impartial are you? If you are the one, who puts his energy into all these other activists, I respect you, and my criticism is not for you. But if you are not, then firstly I congratulate you for choosing the Vegan path, let’s grab that vegan sandwich together, lol, but then I will probably convince you to stand in the street some other day for other reasons. Make sense Vegan fellas! And as you can see in the video, in the end a true humanist and a true Vegan are gonna hug it out. 🤗😀🤭
 
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Again the word throwing with a cutiebeuaty on why you should not cause pain !!

My diet is 90% veggies… No plans to reduce meat consumption anymore than this…

Nov 9, 2018
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AnandaKhan  replied Nov 9, 2018 

Why not? If we personally feel horrible to kill something in our own hands and then process and eat, may be we should not cause the pain in the first place in a living sentient being for the pleasure in our mouth. We probably don’t need to breed something that we then subject to cruelty. Probably we are just indoctrinated since our childhood with the lure of taste of meat in a meat culture, just like a baby becomes indoctrinated in a religious home. And why all the greens of the earth need to be processed through these three primary animals (chicken, cow, goat) as intermediaries to provide nutrient where as you can derive that directly from the earth and plants. And why taking the moral responsibility if you can think that way? And why being part of environmental destruction in the process? If we can reduce 90%, we can 100%. And if we absolutely can’t get away from this indoctrination, there exists artificial meat to consume which more and more in time will taste exactly the real ones. Hope you get what I am saying.

Cutiebeauty  replied Nov 9, 2018  

@AnandaKhan I’ve butchered and slaughtered my own before. I have no problem with it… I’m doing my part by eating 10% meat. If everyone did this it would be a bigger impact than me going 100% veggie. When I do eat meat its usually chicken and fish. And the only reason I eat mostly veggies is because I like veggies.

AnandaKhan  replied Nov 9, 2018

@Cutiebeauty Well, that means you very well know the pain in those “you butchered and slaughtered” and the fear in their eyes and the groaning came out of their bodies when you performed the act. I guess you didn’t care as you have experienced others doing it while you grew up and your desire for the flesh is much more important for you than the pain you are causing. Anyway, if such pain and suffering in sentient being can’t stop you doing what you are doing, all argument of mine will probably fail. Noone can butcher and slaughter their beloved dog to acquire flesh which probably means we can only butcher and slaughter ones we don’t love. So, I guess human being has a limited circle of compassion and love and they butchered and slaughtered many other human beings for their own selfish reasons in the past; again I guess they didn’t love them, in fact hated them. I hope someday people can expand their circle of compassion and love even more. We already made progress and may be we can make even more progress and keep all sentient beings in our circle of compassion and love. So, I will stop but I will just urge to think and read more. Thank you.

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Curse Of Multitasking

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This is what happened while I was cooking my lunch and programming on my computer. And this is just one of the myriads of time mismanagement of myself.

Who doesn’t do multitasking? I always do. Not only inside my computer I run more than 10 programs, but also in the real outer world, I try cooking, cleaning up my room, reading magazines, talking with her on the phone. I need to keep track of what’s going on and where for all these different parallel jobs. Multitasking sometimes create confusion in my mind about the relative priorities of all these jobs. I end up spending hours on the less significant work, leaving the most important job away. Is it just the procrastination or something even more complex?